The U’s Indigenous Land Acknowledgement Statement

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On Oct. 12, 2020, the U officially released its Indigenous Land Acknowledgement Statement. Elizabeth Kronk Warner, dean of the U’s S.J. Quinney College of Law and co-chair of the Native American Land Use Committee, describes the purpose and use of the statement and the work that went into creating it. Recorded on Wednesday, Oct. 14, 2020. Thanks to Brooke Adams and Dave White for technical assistance. Original music by Taylor Hartley.

President Ruth Watkins: Welcome to the U Rising podcast, where you get to meet some of the people who are helping us achieve great things at the University of Utah. I'm Ruth Watkins, president of the U, and my guest today is Elizabeth Kronk Warner, who is the dean of the S.J. Quinney College of Law here at the U.

Dean Kronk Warner co-chaired the Native American Land Use Committee and we're going to talk today about the Indigenous Land Acknowledgement Statement that the committee helped us to prepare. And I will say that that statement was read yesterday for the first time at the Board of Trustees meeting. So, it's very timely to visit with you today, Dean Kronk Warner, and for our listeners to be able to learn a little bit more about you. I think our listeners would love to hear a little bit about your background, your tribal affiliation, your academic background and a little bit about how you found your way to the University of Utah and how long you've been here.

Elizabeth Kronk Warner: Great. Well, thank you President Watkins for having me. I really appreciate this opportunity to chat about the Land Acknowledgement Statement and I appreciate yours and the university's and the board's support of the land acknowledgement statement. So, I grew up right on the Canadian border in the upper peninsula of Michigan, but on the Michigan side of the border in Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan, where my tribe is located—the Sault Ste. Marie tribe of Chippewa Indians. And later, as I grew up, we moved downstate. So, as Michiganders like to say, we became trolls because we were under the bridge. And then I had a chance to go to college at Cornell University. And Indian issues and Indian country have always been at the foremost of my experiences, because while I was at Cornell University I was able to live in a Native home for Native students, it was Akwe:kon, specifically a residential center, and also learn more about Indian country and learn more outside of my own tribal experiences.

I then went to law school at the University of Michigan School of Law and that was an exciting time to be at the University of Michigan. It was the time when the University of Michigan was defending, you may recall, Grutter v. Bollinger, the affirmative action case. And so, issues of diversity were front and center at University of Michigan at that time and I was regularly called upon to represent tribal viewpoints and how they were similar and perhaps different from other groups. And, of course, the land is one of those differences. So, the University of Michigan is located on land that was historically tribal land, so I really became familiar with the importance of those acknowledgements, even starting way back then at my time at the University of Michigan.

I then had the opportunity to practice Indian law, environmental law, in Washington, D.C., for several years, then got the academic bug and went to the University of Montana, then Texas Tech University, then the University of Kansas. And then I finally was able to make my way to the University of Utah. And what really drew me to the University of Utah is, I think the University of Utah is one of the foremost institutions in terms of having this great mix of world-class faculty doing amazing research and really centering research, but also caring about students. In my experience, in my formative education, that was not always true. Sometimes I felt like the classroom and teaching were secondary to some of my faculty, whereas here at the University of Utah I feel like we really care about our students. And so that's why I think this Land Acknowledgement Statement is so important to help further our mission in terms of educating people about the history of where we're located, but also our commitment to Indigenous peoples whom have made such great contributions to the University of Utah. I'm really excited about this Land Acknowledgement Statement.

President Watkins: Well, I want you to know how excited we are that you are a member of our leadership team at the University of Utah. And I'm just delighted to hear that, having been at lots of different institutions, it's your perspective that we're a place that's getting it right at the S.J. Quinney College of Law. Remarkable scholarship from our faculty, really highly ranked college of law, but that also has not lost sight of putting students at the center of everything we do. That is just spectacular for me and listeners to hear.

Elizabeth Kronk Warner: I agree. I really appreciate my colleagues. I think it would be easy to say, ‘Well, I want to focus on my research and I want to focus on my reputation,’ but they don't. They truly care about their students. Many of them have had job offers to go to other universities and other law schools, but they stay because they love our students and they love the state of Utah. So, I feel like it's a very special place.

President Watkins: Well, and I think one of the things I've learned since being at the University of Utah, now in my eighth year, is how strong the S.J. Quinney College of Law is, particularly in issues related to the land and water and environment. So, I think that's a very appropriate segue as we return to talk a little bit about the Land Use Acknowledgement. Let's give some credit to the committee that helped you. I know Vice President Mary Ann Villarreal was your co-chair in that effort. Tell me a little bit about the process and how the committee worked together.

Elizabeth Kronk Warner: Yes. And I also want to acknowledge and applaud Senior Vice President Dr. Dan Reed, who formed the committee and said, ‘This is a really important issue and, as a university with this commitment to Indigenous populations, it's important that we recognize our history.’ I really applaud his leadership and bringing us together. But it was a wonderful committee experience. We had many members of the committee who are Indigenous themselves, either with Native ancestry or who are citizens of tribes. And so it was wonderful to get that perspective of how people view land acknowledgement statements, from being an Indigenous person and how people who are members of tribes and who are Indigenous within our community might view this Land Acknowledgement Statement.

So, I was really appreciative of that. And then we also had a wide array of individuals from all over the campus from various disciplines who brought various viewpoints to the drafting perspective. I have to say, I sometimes have—well, not sometimes—I do have a narrow perspective, I have a tendency to look at things from a legal perspective. And a lot of people on the committee said, ‘No, maybe we should look at it from this perspective or perhaps the cultural sovereignty piece.’ And so it was just a really wonderful opportunity to collaborate, to get to know my colleagues across the campus who are interested in these issues and to come up with a statement that I think we can really be proud of.

President Watkins: I would imagine that an important part of why a statement like this matters is the honest acknowledgement of our history and our past, as well as the opportunity it gives us to learn from that past and to change as we look forward. Tell me about your perspective on why such a statement is important and maybe what you think the committee would say to that if they were here.

Elizabeth Kronk Warner: Yes, absolutely. I think there are multiple layers. So there's the historical perspective, as you mentioned, that we should acknowledge our shared history within the United States—it's not unique to Utah—that these lands were historically Indigenous lands, that Indigenous peoples were here first and the reason why and how we ended up on this land. And so I think that we can never move forward as a community and really heal until we acknowledge that history. And so that's really important.

It's actually interesting, this year Indigenous Peoples Day fell on October 12th and October 12th happened to be the 137th anniversary of the signing of the Goshute territory. And if you look at their treaty, we here on the Wasatch Front are right at the edge of what was their treaty determination under that document that was signed 137 years ago. So, it seemed to kind of really come full circle on both the historical pieces and the fact that this Land Acknowledgement Statement would be released on Indigenous Peoples Day this year, which fell on October 12th.

But I think there's also the contemporary piece. And what you'll see in the statement is an acknowledgement not only of the past and that the land has this historical connection to Indigenous peoples and to tribes, but also an acknowledgement of the present. I think oftentimes as Indigenous peoples, we become very frustrated because people talk about us in the past tense, that we no longer exist or somehow only exist on reservations. And that's simply not true. I mean, we know in our own University of Utah community that we have some amazing people, students, faculty, staff, who are contributing in so many ways. And so we're here, we're present, and we still have a lot to give back. I think one thing that's really nice about this statement is it has both the historical pieces and contemporary pieces in it to acknowledge both, which is really wonderful.

President Watkins: And I'm guessing our listeners would really like to hear the statement. I know there's both a longer version and a short version, so I will let you choose which version of the statement you'd like to share with our U Rising listeners today.

Elizabeth Kronk Warner: Sure. Absolutely. I'd be happy to share the longer version just so people can see kind of both the historical and the contemporary pieces of the statement. So, the longer version says:

The University of Utah has both historical and contemporary relationships with Indigenous Peoples. Given that the Salt Lake Valley has always been a gathering place for Indigenous Peoples, we acknowledge that this land, which is named for the Ute tribe, is the traditional and ancestral homelands of the Shoshone, Paiute, Goshute, and Ute tribes, and as a crossroad for Indigenous Peoples. The University of Utah recognizes the enduring relationships between many Indigenous Peoples and their traditional homelands. We are grateful for the territory upon which we gather today. We respect Utah's Indigenous Peoples, the original stewards of this land, and we value the sovereign relationships that exist between tribal governments, state governments, and the federal government. Today, approximately 60,000 American Indian and Alaska Native Peoples live in Utah. As a state institution, the University of Utah is committed to serving Native communities throughout Utah in partnership with Native nations and our urban Indian communities through research, education, and community outreach activities.

President Watkins: Thank you so much. I think that is a beautiful statement and it aligns so well with our role as both the University of Utah and the University for Utah. I know listeners may want to know that they can find the statement on, I know, my website, And I'm guessing there's a few more places, but it would probably be helpful for listeners to hear from you, Dean Kronk Warner, about how you see the statement being used.

Elizabeth Kronk Warner: Yes, I think there are a lot of ways. I like to use the shorter version, and this is why we did a longer and a shorter version, anytime I'm hosting kind of a larger organization or event. When I'm doing just my basic introduction, I like to do the acknowledgement, both because acknowledgement in and of itself is important, and also because there might be an educational opportunity there. So, I think the shorter version has a role there. And then as we come together for more solemn and formal occasions, I think there's an opportunity to give and use the longer version. Also, at the S.J. Quinney College of Law, we're currently working on our admissions brochure for prospective students, and we've included that version there. I know that it was also included in the vice presidential debate materials that were shared with various members and stakeholders as a result of that event. So, I think the longer version has a nice place in print media as well.

President Watkins: Well, thank you for those examples. And I know that our listeners would be delighted to have this chance to meet you, and please know how happy I am that you elected to us at the University of Utah, and particularly in your role as a leader dean on our campus of the S.J. Quinney College of Law. Thank you so much, Elizabeth, for your time today.

Elizabeth Kronk Warner: My pleasure. Thank you, President Watkins, for having me and for your leadership in terms of adopting the statement and supporting the use of statement. It's very much appreciated.

President Watkins: Listeners, I want to extend thanks to you and I appreciate the opportunity you've taken to meet Dean Kronk Warner and I hope you'll join us for the next edition of U Rising Podcast.